Sunday, January 9, 2011

You be the judge: Goal or no goal?

The Omaha Lancers youtube page posted "highlights" of the game last night.  Of course, they leave out all four of the Lincoln goals scored.  What's funny about that that is if you go back and look at all of the other videos they post on youtube, they show all of the opponents goals scored except Lincoln's.  I guess they really don't like us.

Anyway, let's take a closer look at the two disputed Omaha "goals."  At the 1:19 mark, you can clearly see the puck hits the top crossbar, bounces down, but never crosses the goal line.  At the 1:59 mark, it sure looks like the Omaha player's stick is above the crossbar when he bats the puck into the net.  Regardless of how bad the refs tried to job the Stars, the team that deserved to win the game, prevailed.  

14 comments:

BellTolls said...

wow wow wow. When I first read about the disputed goals, I figured it was just from black-and-blue colored glasses.

But after watching the highlights, the Stars should petition the USHL to have the final score reversed to 4-1. I'm kidding of course, but wow. No question the 1:19 goal shouldn't have counted. The ref was not even in position to see it. Does anyone know if the light went on? Because if not, that's horrible for a ref who can't see the puck to be calling a goal when the goal judge didn't call it. Murdock couldn't argue much because he obviously couldn't see the puck.

The second one is a little more questionable, but his stick is clearly above his shoulders when he swats at it. Terrible officiating. I'm just glad we scored enough goals to not have it matter this time.

lincolnfan said...

lol wow. there is no way either of those goals should have counted. it's a good thing the Stars won, and battled through that adversity. i wouldn't even say that those were questionable goals, they were absolutely not goals and should not have counted.

nutz4puckz said...

Just absolutely ridiculous and not much excuse the for the this level of hockey to have those types of calls being made, or missed as the case may.

Brandon Anderson said...

No the light was green the entire time during the frist goal, I was at the other end of the rink so I didnt see what the fuss was all about til I seen the video

LoudmouthLancer said...

I don't think there should be any reason why there should be controversy over those 2 goals. It didn't affect the outcome of the game whatsoever. Lincoln came back and won the game fair and square and I won't argue that. It was a hard fought game and there were BS calls against both teams.

I won't argue our 1st goal because I was on the other end and didn't get a good view of it. Who knows if the puck hit the top of the crossbar or hit the metal post the connects to the crossbar inside the net. The 3rd goal happened just feet in front of me. Oddo's stick was high enough to spur controversy for sure, but to me it looked as if he was close to even with the crossbar.

As the ref had his hand up in the air to call the penalty that allowed us to score our 3rd goal (highstick goal???) there was a scramble in front of the net. The puck was behind Murdock and Murdock's skate knocked the puck I would say 2 inches past the goal line. Shikowski was right there to see it along with the guy in the box. If any of you were sitting behind the net then you could clearly see the puck go across the line.

BellTolls said...

Thanks, Brandon. I figured that was probably the case. I know this is a developmental league for refs, but calls like that have no place in any hockey league, because unlike penalty calls, these actually determine the outcome of games. Robert Lukkason should be sent down to another league until he learns to trust your goal judge unless you are standing right at the net. He was skating in from the blue line for crying out loud. NO WAY could he see that puck. He got excited when he heard it hit the pipe and saw Murdock scrambling. Inexcusable.

PeruStarsFan said...

I was able to run stop action on the first goal, and it hit the crossbar and went straight down. As for the second, the puck went down to the back of the net. I don't agree with the call but at least the ref was in a position to see it. He just let it go. It was a high stick. You have to love the Lancer Fans defending the refs and bad calls. You should be ashamed to think the USHL officials believe the Landers are so bad they need Officiating help to win a game.
I also can't believe that the Lander Fans would throw trash on the rink after a Lincoln Goal. Not only are the Players thugs but so are the fans.

Yeti said...

Peru,

To be fair, I've seen our own fans at the IceBox throw crap onto the ice after a loss. Stupidity isn't unique to just Omaha fans...it's in every USHL rink. I know some good people whom I consider friends who are Omaha Lancer fans, so I'm not sure it's fair to classify all of them as "thugs."

PeruStarsFan said...

Yeti

Point taken. You are correct, Out of the 3000 plus that normally attend the Lancer games, there are probably only a handfull that would do such a stupid thing.

This is probably also correct about the players. They will do what the Refs let them get away with, so as long as the Refs keep letting them get away with cheap shots, and even some not so cheap shots, as demonstrated by the goalie last night, then I guess that should be expected.

Sorry.

OmahaHockeyTalk said...

I still don't understand why the USHL doesn't use replay when it's available. Just put a monitor in the scorers bench and have the ref review the play like in college hockey. The quality of the video would be much better than what we see on the online broadcasts. So no doubt it could be used to get at least some of these calls right. If video doesn't give conclusive evidence, then the original call stands.

I understand not every team has a system good enough for reviewing plays. But some do. So if it's available, use it. College basketball operates this way. If the game isn't on TV, then video replay is not available to refs. Creighton got screwed in this manner at Iowa State this season when a game winning shot was released after time expired. Game wasn't televised so the refs couldn't look at the replay.

The league doesn't have a problem selectively using a two referee system. So how much harm would be done if some arenas have replay capability? Get it right when you can.

starsfan said...

USHL-the WWE of junior hockey! Seriously-to call one obvious no-goal good is bad but two. Where do these guys come from? And why the big discrepancy in the # of penalties called. They really need Brandt to have a ref class on the sport of diving-looks like Omaha has taken some lessons from CR. I'd like to be able to say Lincoln totally ruined the whiteout but I think the Omaha fans did that all by themselves lol. Kudos to the guys for playing above the distractions and coming home with a "W" Does sound like the new kid had a good weekend-wonder if they have him stick around?

Crazy Carl said...

I saw the first goal, since it was right in front of me. It didn't cross the line. And the third was clearly a high stick. Everything that's already been said about the officiating so far I would have to say I agree with. The thing that I'm surprised no one is as bothered by (only perustarsfan mentioned it) is the blatant acts by the Lancers' goalie. I'm not going to attack his character, or say hes a bad person (I'm sure he may be a really nice guy off the ice) but the simple fact is he likes to hit our players. And I saw several (some of which were captured by some talented photographers) both of the last games up in Omaha. I'm not saying that the questionable goals aren't a big deal, but they could be attributed to a single official being mistaken. The cheap shots from the goalie aren't a one game thing. It tends to happen every time we play Omaha. And, I'm just wondering why the officials, or the league haven't taken notice to it.

nopuckluck said...

Just so everybody knows, the "high-sticking" play is the #2 play of the week, check it out on USHL.com.

Obviously the league saw no problem with it, so I guess all of us Lincoln fans are a bunch of idiots.

Yeti said...

nopuckluck,

I saw that as well. What a joke. The more I watch that video, the more I'm convinced it was a high stick. Oh well. They can have the silly awards, the Stars will take what's really important...the win.